Transcript [00:09] Well, welcome back. And I always [00:11] consider it an honor when we have a time [00:12] to sit down with a colleague and a [00:14] friend, a man that I truly appreciate. [00:16] And uh when he gives us time, uh it's [00:18] always an honor. And that is Troy [00:19] Miller. He's the CEO of the National [00:21] Religious Broadcasters. Uh he never [00:24] sleeps. [00:27] I can prove that by looking at his [00:29] agenda. Uh, he lives on airplanes and [00:32] eats bad [00:36] meals. How you doing, Troy? Good to see [00:38] you, buddy. I'm doing good, Perry. I [00:41] think you're spying on me. That's a [00:43] pretty good description. Uh, are you uh [00:46] are you in Washington? I am. I'm in [00:49] Washington DC all this week. Uh, we just [00:51] I just rushed back from Capitol Hill to [00:54] get over here and uh get on your show. [00:55] Well, thank you. Uh, what are you doing [00:57] there? I know you guys are advocating [00:58] for everything that's important. What's [01:00] on your agenda? We we are. That That's [01:02] right. So, a couple of things, Perry. [01:04] First of all, we're introducing [01:05] ourselves to the new committee chairs [01:07] and the new committee members, [01:08] especially for the Commerce and Energy [01:10] Committee because the subcommittee on [01:12] communications is the one that controls [01:14] a lot of our issues. And so, we're up [01:16] there meeting with them. And then [01:17] specifically, we're talking about two [01:19] issues. AM radio uh in the every dash uh [01:22] legislation that's going through. And [01:24] then we're talking about the issue [01:25] that's going on in television with [01:27] streaming and uh so the streamers who [01:29] are not carrying Christian programming. [01:32] Okay. Uh let's deal with AM radio real [01:35] quick. Uh quite the battle, but you're [01:37] winning it, right? Yeah, we are winning [01:40] it. You know, we thought we were going [01:41] to get it through last year, but with [01:42] the election year and with all the [01:44] shenanigans on the the the side of the [01:47] opposition, you know, it didn't quite [01:49] make it through. But this year, look, [01:50] it's it's got great bipartisan support. [01:53] Uh the bill in the House has [01:56] um it's well over a 100 co-sponsors and [01:59] it's almost 50/50 between Republicans [02:01] and Democrats. So, we've been up there. [02:03] We're we're pushing to get that bill out [02:05] of the subcommittee and onto the to the [02:07] floor. On the Senate side, it's even [02:09] better. That bill we expect to be on the [02:11] floor maybe in the next 30 days. And uh [02:14] we we look, we expect once it gets to a [02:16] floor vote, it's going to pass on pass [02:18] on both sides. And the president [02:20] promised at NRB a year ago that he would [02:22] sign it if it gets to his desk. Okay, [02:24] that's good stuff all the way around. [02:26] So, uh why has uh um religious [02:31] broadcasters had a tough time with [02:32] streamers? [02:34] Oh, well, look, I you look, religious [02:38] broadcasters have had a tough time with [02:40] streamers, you know, and the ISPs and [02:42] the social media networks for a long [02:44] time. Look, they're just biased. That's [02:46] I think that's the first and foremost [02:48] problem. Uh they don't want to see this [02:50] programming on. You know, you've had [02:51] your own problems, you know, with [02:53] YouTube. Um and now we have YouTube is [02:56] the largest linear streaming [02:58] subscription service uh that's out there [03:00] today. I have been all over the country. [03:03] Uh YouTube has this great localization [03:06] technology where they're supposed to [03:08] carry local television uh any local [03:10] broadcasters. Uh, I haven't been in a in [03:13] a city yet where they've had the local [03:15] Christian broadcaster uh that's carried. [03:18] They have the local ABC, NBC, CBS, ion, [03:21] you know, you name it. PBS uh is on [03:24] there, but not the local Christian [03:25] broadcaster. So, we're bringing this to [03:27] the attention uh up in Congress as they [03:30] look at this. This is all about public [03:33] interest programming. This is all about [03:35] educational programming. This has [03:37] nothing to do with what's going on on [03:39] the commercial side. And that's what we [03:40] want them to understand. Okay, good [03:42] stuff. Uh quite the change at the FCC. [03:45] You got to be encouraged. Uh how how are [03:47] you seeing it? Yeah, we're very [03:50] encouraged. We've always been a a big [03:52] supporter of uh Commissioner Carr and [03:54] now Chairman Carr. Um he's taken a lot [03:57] of the issues we covered with him when [03:59] he was a commissioner and he's brought [04:00] those to the forefront. Matter of fact, [04:02] he's the one looking into this whole uh [04:05] issue of YouTube uh of Google's parent [04:08] company, you know, Alphabet out there [04:10] not carrying uh conservative programming [04:13] and not carrying religious programming. [04:15] Uh he's big into deregulation to make [04:18] things things simpler. He's a smart [04:20] businessman. So, uh what we're going to [04:22] be pushing for now is is he's opened up [04:25] uh for for um comments to come in on [04:28] deregulation. So, we're working on that. [04:31] And then we want to see the the the uh [04:33] third Republican commissioner uh get [04:36] approved also through the Senate so that [04:38] you know Carr can get his agenda moving [04:40] forward. A couple things on that uh uh [04:43] point there. Uh Troy, uh deregulation is [04:47] you know I'm sure we all have our list [04:49] of things we like to see go away. [04:51] There's no question about that. But I I [04:54] guess the other thing that I want to [04:55] come back to is does the chairman does [04:58] the [04:59] FCC have power over these platforms that [05:03] aren't licensed? [05:05] You know, so that's a big question here [05:08] and and we've talked about that in our [05:10] meetings up on the, you know, in the [05:11] House office buildings. Uh, and we're [05:14] talking about that with the FCC [05:15] themselves because that the they do [05:18] definitely have authority over the ISP [05:21] providers, the internet service [05:22] providers, but we don't think it's fair [05:25] that these folks that were under the [05:28] regulatory licensing environment as a [05:30] cable system, as a telco, um, or even a [05:34] satellite, um, that they could suddenly, [05:36] especially for cable and telco, that [05:39] they could suddenly just by declaring [05:41] themselves a streamer with no real [05:43] change in their technology or their [05:46] infrastructure. They declare themselves [05:48] a streamer and then they're free all of [05:50] a sudden of all the regulations that [05:52] they were under uh the two minutes [05:54] before they did that. Because the other [05:56] part of that, those of us who survive [05:58] barely repacking at the end of the day, [06:01] they got some of our frequencies that [06:02] they do what they do. That's right. [06:05] That's exactly right. They they got a [06:08] lot of those frequencies to do. And [06:09] look, at the end of the day, it's the [06:12] same exact infrastructure. It's the same [06:15] exact technology that they were doing. [06:17] Uh why does their designation all of a [06:20] sudden change that? Well, uh yeah. So, [06:24] to me, I I understand it's a fine line. [06:26] I don't get me wrong, I don't like to [06:28] see government more intrusion, but this [06:30] is a really area here that we got to [06:32] take a look at because it's just not [06:34] fair. It's just it's not an equal [06:35] platform. No, it's not. It's not. Two [06:38] things, Perry. one, it's not an equal [06:39] platform, and two, look, all the way [06:42] back to the original cable authorization [06:44] act, the Congress said it was important [06:47] for public interest programming and [06:50] educational programming was never going [06:53] to have a leg up over commercial [06:54] programming. And Congress knew that. So, [06:56] they made these provisions within the [06:59] law for educational, for public interest [07:02] programming. Why are those provisions [07:05] suddenly being ignored? because we've [07:08] changed technologies and how we're doing [07:10] distribution. Those public interest [07:12] regulations and obligations don't [07:14] change. They don't change because of the [07:16] the type of distribution. And that's [07:18] what we're bringing up to both the FCC [07:20] and the Congress. We actually have a a [07:22] couple of congressmen who are going to [07:23] write and ask those very questions cuz [07:26] at the end of the day uh if you look at [07:28] the original u intent of [07:31] LPTV I mean that's a classic example why [07:34] LPPTV came into existence and then they [07:37] turned around and cut the very existence [07:38] out from underneath it and then sold the [07:40] frequencies away. That's right. That's [07:42] right. They look they they weren't [07:44] thinking this all the way through and [07:47] they can't always think of the [07:48] commercial side of everything. This this [07:50] country has always held that educational [07:53] programming is very important. And look, [07:55] we were just on the hill talking about [07:57] that that why does PBS get these [07:59] carveouts and the exact same [08:02] broadcasters like yourself and others [08:03] that are non-commercial broadcasters [08:06] that are public interest programming [08:08] that are educational programmers. Why [08:10] are you not getting the same level [08:11] playing field? What do you think the [08:13] future of PBS? You think it'll get [08:15] defunded? I absolutely think it's going [08:17] to get defunded. Uh, I think their their [08:20] time on the government, taxpayers, you [08:22] know, gravy train is coming to an end. [08:24] And uh, we hope the same thing happens [08:26] for PBS, NPR, and the corporation for [08:29] public broadcasting. Because my concern [08:31] with that, Troy, is on their way down, [08:33] they're going to point fingers at us [08:34] broadcasters, us Christian, [08:36] non-commercial broadcasters. Well, let [08:38] me let me be more just specific. Us [08:40] non-commercial Christian broadcasters, [08:42] they could point the fingers at us and [08:44] say, "Go look at these guys, too." So, [08:46] I'm trying to figure out where the line [08:47] is. [08:49] Well, the line is not it's it's in the [08:51] government funding. And look, these guys [08:53] have the special carveouts. We don't [08:55] have any special carveouts. We didn't [08:57] get a carve out for multiccast carry. We [09:00] didn't get a carveout that gives us 18% [09:03] uh less in royalties payments. We didn't [09:05] get those carveouts. We don't get any [09:07] money from the Corporation of Public [09:09] Broadcasting to produce documentaries [09:12] and television programming. [09:15] Troy, amen. I'm so glad you're there. [09:17] Thank you, brother. That was a great [09:18] answer. Uh, where do you think [09:19] censorship's going to go in the future [09:21] with this new commissioner? [09:24] Well, look, he's he's all over this [09:26] censorship issue, not only him. Uh, [09:29] we're we're so happy what he's doing. [09:30] We're happy he wrote the letter to, you [09:33] know, Alphabet asking about their [09:34] latest. You know, one of our associate [09:36] members is Great American Media, and [09:38] they they do they do great, you know, [09:40] familyfriendly program. They're [09:42] Christian friendly. They're going to [09:43] have a great Easter special out and yet [09:45] YouTube won't even give them the time a [09:47] day uh to get that on there and they're [09:49] not even asking for any carriage fees. [09:51] They just want to carry this channel and [09:54] so I think the commissioner is going to [09:55] look at that. He's going to look at [09:57] other issues we brought up to him uh as [09:59] well. And then we're really excited to [10:02] find out what you know Pam Bundy at the [10:04] attorney general's office is going to be [10:06] doing with her weaponization of [10:08] government task force. I think they're [10:10] going to go in deep. And look, your [10:12] question earlier, the FT FCC can do so [10:15] much. We're also meeting with the [10:17] FTC and they have the authority over [10:20] these edge providers and they're going [10:22] to be asking those tough questions, too. [10:24] Why are you biased? Why are you based? [10:27] Why are you censoring Christian content? [10:29] And you're not doing any other religious [10:31] content uh out there can get through. [10:34] So, one little caboose question on that. [10:37] What enforcement would the FCC and the [10:40] FTC have for them to change their [10:42] policy? So, look, the the F the FCC can [10:47] can look, they can do this from an ISP [10:50] stand for standpoint. The FTC, they have [10:54] a lot more regulatory authority under [10:56] the consumer protection uh to look at [10:59] this. They could actually bring fines [11:01] against these companies for violations [11:04] of civil rights. [11:07] Great stuff. All right, let me take a [11:09] quick break. So honored to have Troy [11:10] Miller with us. He lives on banana [11:12] peels, roller skates, bad meals, and [11:13] airplanes. We'll take a quick break. [11:15] We'll be right [11:28] back. Okay, welcome back. Such an honor [11:30] to have with us today Troy Miller, [11:32] president CEO of the National Religious [11:33] Broadcasters. is bringing him in live [11:36] from Washington DC. He's there on the [11:38] hill working on our behalf and so [11:40] grateful that he is there with his team. [11:42] Uh Troy, I didn't see you at the NRB. Uh [11:45] it killed me. I couldn't be there this [11:47] year. It's like missing your wife's [11:49] birthday. You just don't do [11:53] that. But I'll see you at the NAB in a [11:56] couple weeks. I'll be down there. Come [11:57] to your reception down there. Uh couple [11:59] things. [12:00] Um, you're there also to help with [12:02] Huckabe's confirmation. How's that [12:04] going? Yeah, you know, he had his [12:06] hearing yesterday. I don't know if you [12:08] got a chance to catch any of it. Yeah. [12:10] Uh, it went really well. I thought he [12:12] gave great answers to the questions. I [12:14] think the the people who are opposed to [12:17] him as a nomination are just crazy. Uh, [12:20] the fact that they they think an [12:22] evangelical Christian somehow can't be [12:24] the ambassador to Israel. Um, all of my [12:26] friends in Israel in both the Israeli [12:29] government and in the, you know, is [12:31] Israeli organizations, the the and the [12:34] Orthodox Jews there, they're all very [12:37] supportive, very happy for him to to be [12:39] this. This is just the left. They hate [12:41] Israel and uh they don't really I don't [12:44] think they would want anybody to be the [12:45] ambassador. But look, we think he did a [12:47] great job. He's going to come out of [12:48] this nomination, hopefully get voted on [12:50] later this week and get headed to Israel [12:53] for all the great work he's going to do [12:54] there. All right, I want to come back to [12:56] the heart of everything here and that is [12:58] the heart of the uh NRB and what we are [13:02] do there is collectively together as [13:04] broadcasters and media people. uh if [13:07] there's ever been a time and opportunity [13:10] for us to be on the air and on the [13:12] platforms is now. And in spite of the [13:14] fact that there's been a turnaround in [13:16] administrations, there's still a [13:20] unstabling anxiousness to our culture [13:23] and we know that the gospel is the [13:25] answer. How do you see that in the [13:28] future for us as an organization? [13:30] Look, I think it's so important. That [13:32] was one of our my key messages at NRB [13:34] this year uh to all the communicators [13:37] and to the audience out there. Um this [13:39] is our time. This is a time that God has [13:42] set for us. Uh we humanity has never [13:45] lived in a period like we live in now [13:48] where we can instantly communicate [13:50] around the globe. Um we're anywhere [13:52] we're at by just simply grabbing the [13:54] cell phone out of our pocket. We can be [13:56] on the internet. We can be on tools like [13:58] this. We can be on others and we can [14:00] communicate. And this is a time where I [14:02] think all of us need to understand, not [14:04] only us that are, you know, quote [14:06] professionals in this area, but [14:08] everybody out there who's, you know, [14:10] even just on social media, there was a [14:12] recent study said the average person on [14:15] social media can influence over 480 [14:19] people. That's a lot of people. The [14:20] average church size in America is only [14:23] about 120. Uh so you're you're almost [14:26] four times that. So So look, it's a [14:28] great time to do it. It's a great price [14:30] point, but we have a great [14:31] responsibility as well, Perry. We have [14:34] to be uphold, you know, all of the moral [14:37] tenants and the ethics that we hold so [14:39] dearly in what we do. You know, the [14:42] mainstream media and [14:44] mainstream, you know, broadcasters, they [14:46] have lost the public's trust. uh and we [14:49] know we have a lot of negative things [14:51] about the church but still the church [14:53] has a far higher trust than most [14:56] institutions and we need to work our our [14:59] at our best and our hardest to keep that [15:01] trust out there. Yeah, that's so well [15:03] said. By the way, how is Christian media [15:06] internationally? [15:08] Christian media look internationally [15:10] look internationally Christianity right [15:12] now has a lot of headwinds against it. [15:15] you know whether it's in Africa u [15:17] nations across there where we're seeing [15:19] a lot of heightened persecution of [15:21] course we've seen it across the Middle [15:23] East India is a a really uh bad spot [15:26] right now uh for Christians but [15:28] Christian broadcasting is flourishing [15:31] and listenership is up you know again [15:34] because of phones are are so prevalent [15:37] now in in different societies other [15:40] societies the phone is the ma major [15:42] financial tool that they have it's how [15:44] they pay their bills, how they connect. [15:46] So now they have access to Christian [15:48] Christian messages that they've never [15:50] had before. So look, there's a growing [15:53] um you know interest. We've seen that [15:55] Bible sales around the world uh are up. [15:58] They're up here in the US and and um [16:01] access or you you know people going to [16:03] different Christian websites, those have [16:05] all been up as well. [16:08] So coming back to some basic things [16:10] here. Uh for those of us that have been [16:12] in this a long time, we've seen the [16:15] evolution of things come and go. We [16:17] thought, well, the cassette was going to [16:18] put radio out of business. We thought, [16:20] you know, digital was going to do away [16:22] with television and radio, but it seems [16:24] to be it's not. Don't get me wrong, the [16:27] audience is split because it has more [16:28] places to go, but radio and television [16:31] basically, even OTAA is very stable. [16:35] It is. OTAA has actually grown, you [16:38] know, that's overtheair television, you [16:40] know, for for people out there. It's [16:42] actually grown. You know, there was a [16:43] recent uh uh study that came out uh by [16:46] TV in the TV magazine industry that said [16:49] that overthe-air, you know, reception, [16:52] households that had only over the air, [16:54] that grew from 18% to 26% over the last [17:00] eight years. So, that's actually grown [17:02] as the cord cutters are out there. you [17:04] know, there's I think in my home market, [17:06] Nashville, there's 30ome channels you [17:08] can get just over the air with an [17:10] antenna. So, as you know, the rising [17:12] cost of both cable and streaming, you [17:15] know, streaming was kind of this whole [17:17] everybody thought, "Oh, streaming's all [17:18] cool. You could get it all for free." [17:21] Well, guess what? That's all gone. These [17:23] these organizations figured out that it [17:26] cost a lot to distribute video um out [17:29] there. And so streaming is about 31%, [17:32] cable's about 28 29% and then other is [17:36] everything else out there, you know. So [17:38] it's pretty it's it's almost evenly [17:40] split in those three major categories. [17:42] But o over the air I think is going to [17:44] continue to grow. What do you think of [17:47] um podcasts? [17:50] Look, it's really interesting. [17:52] podcasting, you know, so we we we we [17:55] went through, like you said, all these [17:56] evolutions that were supposed to kill [17:58] radio, kill audio. Um, you know, [18:00] podcasting, which, you know, really [18:02] started out this MP3 format. And now, [18:05] now we have all these podcasters that [18:08] have been out there in what I call sort [18:09] of the wild wild west of podcasting [18:11] because you didn't have to follow a [18:13] clock. You didn't have to have any [18:14] breaks. You didn't have to do these [18:15] things. Guess where their next big [18:17] audience is? Radio. Their next big [18:19] audience is radio and television. We've [18:21] had so many podcasters and video [18:24] podcasters that have reached out to us [18:26] to say, "How do we reformat our content [18:29] to get on radio and television?" Uh [18:32] because we're not reaching everybody we [18:34] can. We we're we're we we've saturated [18:36] our digital market. Now we have to [18:38] figure out how to get to the airwaves uh [18:40] out there. And I think you're going to [18:41] see a lot more of that keep going back [18:43] and forth. Boy, you nailed it with that [18:45] one because uh I have talked to a lot of [18:47] uh podcasters who want to get on the dub [18:49] TV or radio and alls I had to say is [18:51] look, if you would take your podcast and [18:55] edit it to 28:30 or 58:30, we could take [18:58] you. But when you go for a couple of [19:00] hours in these unnamed times, you got to [19:02] get it in within our format and it'll [19:03] work. And then there's the future for [19:05] fresh programming. It is. It is. And not [19:09] only that, Perry, we're teaching them [19:10] how to do that, you know, to get it to a [19:13] 2830 or a 5830. And then within that, [19:16] how to break it up into these seven or [19:18] eight nine minute segments. So they can [19:20] have they can have their short form, [19:22] they can have their podcast, and then [19:24] they can have their television outlet as [19:26] well. Uh I know we've worked [19:28] collectively together and then of course [19:29] the dove uh independently on fighting [19:31] DEI and of course with the new [19:34] administration DEI is taken off the [19:35] table but it's only off the table for [19:37] four [19:38] years. Uh that's right and we we got to [19:41] look at this seriously because one [19:42] lawsuit could put us out of business. [19:45] That's exactly right. It's and it's only [19:47] off the table for four years. That's one [19:49] of the things that we're going to be [19:50] working on at Congress as well. We want [19:52] to get a lot of these executive orders [19:54] that could be just turned over. get [19:56] those turned into legislation, make some [19:58] of these things permanent. You know, [20:00] we're still our lawsuit is still moving [20:02] forward with the FCC on this DEI mandate [20:05] on on the the form 395, you know. So, [20:08] we're still moving that lawsuit forward. [20:10] Uh we'd rather see the courts come down [20:12] and have a have a an opinion on this [20:15] than the FCC just say we're going to [20:17] drop it. So, we want that to move [20:19] forward. We're continuing to move [20:20] forward on the Johnson Amendment [20:22] lawsuit. So, some of these things we [20:24] have to either get codified through [20:26] legal decisions or we need Congress to [20:28] get them codified. That's good. Good [20:30] stuff. Uh, back to uh um satellite just [20:34] for a moment and you you mentioned it [20:36] cut the cord that's kept us OTAA [20:39] guys. We're pretty happy about that. But [20:41] at the end of the day, is Satellite [20:43] basically pricing themselves out of [20:44] business? [20:46] Yeah, I think so. I think satellite but [20:49] look I think satellite's a good um you [20:51] know argument for why the ownership [20:53] issues and some of these other issues [20:55] need to be readressed because because as [20:58] technology changes we need to make sure [21:00] the laws and the regulations change it's [21:03] excuse me it's too expensive you know to [21:05] keep putting these satellites up there's [21:07] cheaper methods to do the distribution [21:09] so the both the two major satellite [21:12] companies Dish Network and DirecTV [21:14] they're both moving to digital platform [21:16] models They're not launching new [21:18] satellites. Um, and again, we're going [21:20] to be blocked out if we can't get the [21:22] regulatory environment and the [21:24] legislative the laws to follow this [21:26] these changes. Okay. And then lastly, [21:29] Troy, again, thank you for your time [21:31] today. I know you're really busy. Um, [21:34] looking ahead, what's God telling you [21:36] about the NRB and down the road? [21:39] But look, I I think as you said, we have [21:41] to take advantage of this friendly, you [21:44] know, government environment that we're [21:46] in right now. We have to to make sure we [21:48] can get as much done as possible uh [21:51] under this time. But look, I again, I am [21:53] so excited. I mean, one thing I think, [21:55] Perry, that people walked away from NRV [21:57] with was a real hope and an energy. As [22:00] you said, the only thing that's going to [22:02] change society, the only permanent [22:04] change, the government might make [22:06] everything easier for us to do business, [22:08] easier for us to communicate, but [22:10] they're not going to change the hearts [22:12] and minds of people. They're not going [22:14] to help people with that longing there. [22:16] That's our that's what God has called us [22:19] as Christian communicators, pastors, and [22:21] individuals to do. Share the gospel. And [22:24] that's and my hope that is that we will [22:26] see that just proliferate across all of [22:29] these mediums that more and more people [22:31] are going to be sharing the gospel and [22:33] helping people find the hope that they [22:36] can only find in Jesus Christ. That's so [22:38] beautifully said. Uh and then lastly um [22:42] you talked about uh the with the change [22:44] in leadership and format there with the [22:47] FCC and chairman Carr which we're also [22:49] happy for uh and working on [22:52] deregulations. what what regulations [22:55] would you like to see go away? Well, [22:57] look, I think there's an overburden [22:59] again on some of the public file uh [23:02] mechanisms that go on there. The amount [23:04] of you know, filings you have to do if [23:06] you own multiple stations uh you know, [23:09] you have to do individual ones even [23:11] though you're a station group, you know, [23:13] and it's all time consuming. I I talked [23:15] to a lot of operators like you out there [23:17] and they say, "Look, you know, our [23:19] public file gets accessed once or twice [23:21] a year at the most. you know, and so [23:24] we're looking at those. And again, [23:25] there's we're asking you all out there, [23:27] too. There's just a number of things [23:29] that can make your environment a lot [23:31] friendlier, can make it easier to apply [23:34] from us, Carrie, easier to to renew your [23:36] licensing, all of those things. Deregul, [23:39] look, look, we're deregulate, [23:41] deregulate, deregulate, and get rid of [23:43] not only the the the burden of that, but [23:46] also get rid of the cost of it. Well, [23:48] yeah. You know, since all of this got [23:51] moved over to electronic filing, I got [23:54] to ask the question, is anybody in there [23:55] in the commission really reading this [23:57] stuff? [23:59] No, they're not. And you know, at the [24:02] end of the day, you're worn out. A third [24:04] of my time is keeping our network [24:05] compliant. I didn't sign up for that [24:07] part. That's right. That's right. So, [24:11] what's ahead? What What are What else [24:12] you doing today before I let you go? [24:13] What What are you doing on the hill [24:14] today? So, Oh, look, pray for us. Uh [24:16] we're going to be up with the speaker of [24:18] the house this afternoon. So we're going [24:20] to be talking to the speaker uh about um [24:23] you know the AM radio issue and then [24:24] just in general all the things we got we [24:28] have going. He's doing a great job. So [24:30] we really really love the work he's [24:32] doing. Well Troy, thank you friend. [24:35] You're you're a buddy. So let me say to [24:37] our viewers and listeners nrb.org if you [24:39] do anything in media in Christian media [24:41] you need to belong to this [24:43] organization. nrb.org or you can go [24:45] there, snoop around on the uh website [24:48] and find a lot of things that I'm sure [24:49] that will be very informing and [24:52] attractive. Become a member, [24:54] nrb.org. Troy, again, thank you, friend. [24:56] I'll see you see you a couple of weeks [24:58] down there at uh at the NAB. [25:01] See you at the NAB. Thanks, Perry. Keep [25:03] up all your good work. Thank you, buddy. [25:04] God bless you.
