Transcript [00:00] Dove Saxs is in the house along with [00:02] Mark Riley and Dee Richardson. Good [00:03] morning. Good morning. Good morning. And [00:05] joining us on the line is uh Troy [00:08] Miller. He is the National Religious [00:10] Broadcasters President. And Troy, again, [00:13] I apologize because you were supposed to [00:16] be on at 8:30 and I double booked and [00:18] messed up, but I appreciate your [00:20] patience. Troy, thanks for being with [00:21] us. Oh, no problem. Thanks for having me [00:24] this morning. Yeah, absolutely. [00:26] Um, Grace Baker, who if anybody listens [00:30] to this show, knew Grace from the Todd [00:32] Starns show. In fact, I used to call it [00:34] the Grace Baker Show, featuring Todd [00:36] Starns because Grace was so fabulous. [00:39] She hooked you and I up and and she said [00:42] we wanted to talk about Trump's first [00:43] 100 days and also about Military [00:45] Appreciation Month. I'll let you choose [00:48] what we hit. [00:50] Well, we can start off with Trump's [00:52] first 100 days because we think he's [00:54] done a fabulous job. out of the gate. Uh [00:57] he's, you know, he's made a lot of [01:00] promises to us. If you guys don't know, [01:02] Trump spoke at the NRB convention in [01:05] February of 2024. I think it was a [01:08] pivotal speech that he gave uh regarding [01:11] religious freedom and he talked about a [01:14] number of things there. made a number of [01:15] promises including to look into the [01:18] pro-life activists that had been uh [01:21] jailed under the Biden administration to [01:23] look in the the bias and the [01:25] weaponization of government that had [01:27] gone on against uh Christians and look [01:30] in his first 100 days he's delivered on [01:32] all of those things. Yeah, I think he [01:35] has. I had the privilege to go down to [01:37] the White House and broadcast with my [01:39] wife um talking about the first 100 days [01:42] and the accomplishments. And you know, [01:44] President Trump says it's the most [01:45] consequential 100 days in American [01:47] history. I think that's true. Um he says [01:50] it's the most successful. Um I think [01:53] there's a lot of debate around that, but [01:55] at the end of the day, he is doing what [01:57] he can to get us on the right track. We [01:59] ann he announced today we've made a [02:02] trade deal with Great Britain which is [02:04] significant. Um we know Great Britain is [02:06] in a lot of hurt right now. Their [02:08] culture is changing dramatically but [02:11] it's good to get that deal underway. You [02:13] know how it is if you're ever been in [02:15] sales. When you get the first sale, you [02:17] break the ice and once you've broken the [02:19] ice, you know, it all starts to happen, [02:22] right? And the UK was, I think, critical [02:24] to that whole negotiations because, you [02:27] know, the EU is playing hard ball. And I [02:29] I lived in Ireland for a while, lived in [02:31] the UK, as you said, that they're in a [02:33] major cultural shift there. So, this is [02:36] a pretty big win for him again, again, [02:39] on this whole front. Let me ask you this [02:41] question. As someone who is faithfilled, [02:44] um, we are seeing a culture change, [02:46] particularly in London, but you're [02:47] starting to see it throughout Great [02:49] Britain. and they are headed, if they [02:52] don't stop, toward Sharia law. Sharia [02:55] law is incompatible with Jesus Christ, [02:57] but it's also incompatible with freedom. [03:00] Do we have to at some point, if this [03:02] continues down this path, reassess our [03:05] relationship with Great Britain? [03:08] Well, I you know, I think so. I think [03:11] you're going to have to look at that. We [03:12] certainly started to look at Great [03:14] Britain. This is a country that he was a [03:17] um you know a bastion for the gospel for [03:20] Christianity. So many great u uh [03:23] evangelist and and Christian leaders [03:26] came out of the UK. But now I think a [03:28] lot of us look at the UK as a giant [03:31] mission field um because of their you [03:33] know first of all just the the [03:35] abandonment of Christianity and then the [03:37] influx as you said of Islam. Now Islam [03:40] has a major influence there. There are [03:42] already, my understanding from people I [03:44] know over there, there are already [03:46] communities that are basically under [03:47] Sharia law. And then if you look at [03:50] recently what the UK has done just on [03:53] personal freedoms. Um, now they're [03:56] jailing people for social media posts or [03:59] for comments that you make in public. [04:02] Um, if those comments don't line up with [04:04] what the elites and the British [04:06] government think you should say, uh, you [04:08] can find yourself fined or in prison. [04:11] What do you think's going on over there? [04:13] I mean, Great Britain is a storied [04:15] nation. You know, hundreds and hundreds [04:17] and hundreds of years, maybe even [04:19] thousand a thousand years of history. Uh [04:23] they were always sort of a world leader [04:25] militarily, economically and culturally [04:28] and [04:29] spiritually. And now they've seem to [04:31] allow themselves to be overtaken with [04:33] people that have a different philosophy, [04:36] frankly, a philosophy that's [04:38] incompatible with their history. Why do [04:40] you think that's happening? [04:43] Well, first of all, I think that all [04:44] started with the the drift away from [04:47] their roots in Christianity. That that [04:49] was the beginning of it. And then as you [04:51] looked at at what was happening, [04:53] especially with the Church of England, [04:55] the mainstream denominations there, uh [04:58] those denominations started to react to [05:00] the culture and shift to the to the [05:02] left, to the more progressive. And [05:04] instead of driving the culture, instead [05:07] of being the shepherds of the culture, [05:09] leading the culture, they became [05:11] followers of the culture and and the [05:13] church's impact in England now, I think, [05:15] is zero. I don't think there's hardly [05:18] any impact that especially the Church of [05:20] England uh has in the community at all. [05:23] And and once you're past that point, um [05:25] then you're you're looking at, you know, [05:27] a secular society [05:30] um with no moral footings, no grounding, [05:32] no foundation. And that's where England [05:35] has ended up today. And by the way, [05:37] Europe, many Germany, France, Spain, a [05:40] lot of the European nations are on that [05:42] same path. We're talking with Troy [05:44] Miller. He's the president of the [05:46] National Religious Broadcasters [05:47] Association. Troy, do you believe what's [05:50] happening in Great Britain is a [05:51] cautionary tale for America? [05:54] Oh, absolutely. Not Great Britain. Uh, [05:57] as I said, across the EU, it looked just [06:00] to the north of us in Canada. Canada is [06:02] the same way. you look at the the the [06:04] the trail there. Once you lose that [06:06] foundation uh of of the Judeo-Christian [06:10] Foundation, then you you lose your whole [06:13] understanding of what the word freedom [06:16] means. Um you know, I was here in [06:18] Washington DC. It just happened to be up [06:20] at the, you know, the Jefferson Memorial [06:22] in in the Jefferson on the walls there. [06:25] You know, he's talking about if we don't [06:27] understand that freedom is an [06:29] inalienable right granted to us by our [06:32] creator, then freedom just becomes a uh [06:36] a subsidy that's given to us by the [06:39] government. And that's the path we're [06:41] we're on here. You already have those on [06:44] the progressive left here um talking [06:46] about that one of the number one [06:49] impediment to progress is the first [06:51] amendment and that's our right to free [06:53] speech, right to the freedom of [06:55] religion, right of the press, right to [06:57] uh uh address the government. If you [07:00] lose all of those things, you just [07:01] become doesn't matter what it is, you [07:03] become uh a government of people under [07:06] tyranny. Well, you brought up Mark [07:08] Carney, the uh new prime minister, and [07:10] well, you brought up can Canada, and [07:11] I'll bring him up, the new prime [07:12] minister. It seems that his philosophy [07:16] is really a pseudofascism philosophy [07:18] where the government and big business [07:21] control the culture, control the people. [07:24] And I believe he believes strongly in [07:26] that sort of pseudofascism. [07:28] And it is very dangerous for Canadians, [07:31] but it's also dangerous for people in [07:33] this country who are godless, who have [07:36] adopted a secular view of the world. So [07:39] they don't have a core value inside of [07:42] them and they don't recognize what's [07:43] happening. But eventually those kind of [07:46] thinkings will lead to a predominance of [07:49] Sharia law. Here in Maine, where we are, [07:51] we have banks in Portland, Maine that [07:53] are now doing Sharia compliant loans. [07:55] And as you may know, that means um you [07:57] know, Muslims don't pay interest. It [08:00] It's bizarre to me. We have the greatest [08:02] country in the history of the world. [08:04] There's no doubt that God's hand helped [08:05] ordain this or we would never have [08:08] beaten back Great Britain. We're the [08:10] most prosperous, generous nation in the [08:12] world. And for most of our existence, we [08:14] were the most faithfilled country in the [08:16] world with regard to Jesus Christ. As we [08:19] move from that, we've seen the illnesses [08:21] of drug addiction and alcoholism and [08:24] suicide and mental health crisis grow in [08:27] this nation. Why do you think, Troy, [08:29] that we're not recognizing that as we [08:32] lose our foundation in Jesus Christ, [08:35] this calamity is unfolding? [08:37] Well, because we we've indoctrinated now [08:40] two or three generations with, as you [08:43] said, with this whole you you you know, [08:46] kind of um uh empathetic, [08:50] socialistic, excuse me. [08:53] Um there um I get you a glass of water [08:56] if you need it. No, I I got it right [08:59] here. I took a nice drink. Um and so but [09:03] we've indoctrinated them with this idea [09:06] that that you know empathy is kind of [09:08] the number one thing and and fairness [09:11] and this whole idea of e equality or [09:16] equity across the the the all of the [09:20] different groups is what you know that's [09:22] what we're striving for. And look, [09:24] there's no place for the Christian [09:27] Judeo-Christian ethics, morality and [09:30] principles in that because that they [09:32] they stand at complete opposite. So this [09:35] country has worked now for four decades [09:37] and it's not just by chance. They have [09:39] worked very hard to create this this [09:42] tension between the the two different [09:45] world views and to indoctrinate those [09:48] generations to doubt everything that [09:50] that really was the founding principles [09:52] of this country. That's what's going to [09:55] get us into you talk about Sharia law. [09:58] That's what's going to get us into there [09:59] because we don't we don't look at most [10:01] people don't look at what's going on [10:03] behind all of this um immigration from [10:07] the Islamic world. They're like, "Oh, we [10:10] need to bring these people in. They're [10:11] so oppressed over there. They're great [10:14] people. They come in. They're good in [10:15] the community." But they don't realize [10:17] that there's a world view behind that [10:20] that is that is the opposite of [10:22] everything we hold dear as the [10:25] principles of what made this country. [10:27] Uh, great. We're talking with Troy [10:29] Miller. He is the president of the [10:31] National Religious Broadcasting [10:33] Association. You know, it's so funny you [10:35] bring this up because as you're talking, [10:36] I'm thinking to myself, isn't it ironic [10:39] that the one place that equality occurs, [10:42] which is what they claim they want, is [10:44] at the cross where all of our sins are [10:47] forgiven and salvation is possible if we [10:50] seek it. not through effort, not through [10:53] works, not through any deeds we've done, [10:56] but through equal grace by Jesus Christ. [10:59] And yet they want to turn away from that [11:02] and then apply that concept of equality [11:06] and equity to a system that should have [11:09] equality but does not have equity unless [11:12] it's earned. They always leave out the [11:14] really the most important two ewords. [11:17] They talk about equity. They talk about [11:19] equality. But uh equality should be [11:22] available to everyone. Equity comes [11:24] through effort and earning meaning you [11:28] earn equity. But the one place that [11:30] there is equality and equity if you want [11:33] to call it that is grace at the cross. [11:35] And these people have turned from it [11:37] completely. [11:39] Well, amen. I don't think I could say it [11:41] better than you just did. That's exactly [11:43] right. Uh the cross is the one place [11:46] that God through the work of Christ, [11:49] through the the shed blood of Christ has [11:51] made us all equal in his eyes. And we're [11:56] all the equality side. We're all equal [11:58] from the the the reward we get, [12:00] salvation in Christ. And so all of us [12:02] together and then look Christ has said [12:04] the freedom that comes out of that you [12:06] know the freedom of the bondage uh that [12:09] comes out of that the freedom for us [12:10] then to uh extend that grace to all all [12:14] of our fellow brothers and sisters [12:16] around us. That's what the cross brings. [12:19] That's what you don't find anywhere else [12:22] in any other world religion is that same [12:26] grace, that unearned grace, but also the [12:30] ability once we understand that extend [12:32] that same unearned grace to people [12:35] around us. Absolutely. Troy, we're going [12:36] to run out of time here. I just want to [12:38] ask you one more thing. Um, it's evident [12:41] to me and I think it's evident to my [12:42] friend Dove here who was in studio. He's [12:45] the one that called me on July 13th and [12:47] said I was in Chicago on my way to to [12:50] Milwaukee for the convention and he said [12:52] they shot him. Um, publicly, have you [12:55] ever seen a greater transformation [12:58] publicly of a public figure like Donald [13:00] Trump from July 13th to today in how he [13:05] talks about Jesus, how he talks about [13:07] the role of God in our society? I don't [13:10] recall it. I've studied history for [13:13] since I was 10 years old and I don't [13:15] recall such a public figure with such a [13:18] transformation since July 13th. [13:21] Yeah, I agree with that. Um I don't [13:23] recall one in in my lifetime either. And [13:26] I think for for the people I've talked [13:28] to that are closest to him and even when [13:30] I talked to him when he spoke at our uh [13:33] convention over a year ago, you know, [13:35] here's a man who understood faith, who [13:37] had a deep faith, had a deep respect for [13:39] the Christian faith. But I think after [13:41] that instinct, after that attempt on his [13:43] life and how close it came, he truly [13:47] believes that it was an act of God, that [13:50] God intervened. Um, and I think that's [13:52] had a just a profound profound impact on [13:55] him.
